Can things get more confusing? Why yes they can. Deem and pass is just another way for the Democrats to shove the overloaded health care bill down our throats. The House voted last week by a narrow margin to set aside a resolution that would have required an up and down vote for health care. This resolution would have prevented the deem and pass(demon pass) way to approve the senate bill. To explain what this is I will quote the Washington Post: "under this scenario the House would "deem" the Senate bill passed when the chamber approves the rule governing debate for health care and then would vote on a package of "fixes" to the Senate bill negotiated between the two chambers". With this process there would not be a direct vote but there would be an indirect vote for the 'rule'. The rule outlines the rules for an upcoming vote. This vote would be on the package of reconciliation fixes. By passing this rule the House would deem the Senate bill passes with a ' hereby' statement..."we hereby deem etc.." The Senate health-care bill could be considered passed even if they never vote on the reconciliation fixes.
By passing "the rule," the House also would "deem" the Senate bill passed (with a "hereby" statement. "We hereby deem..."). The House would then vote on the package of reconciliation fixes. But the Senate health-care bill would be considered passed even if they never vote on the reconciliation fixes. Now according to MSNBC's First Read the following will happen:
The "rule" can be written several different ways to include passage of the Senate bill. Though no decisions have been made -- including whether or not the rule will be used -- there are two scenarios most often discussed, according to a Democratic aide knee-deep in the process.
Scenario No. 1: The Senate bill is deemed passed with the passage of the House Rule for debate. So once the House passed the rules for debating the reconciliation package, the Senate bill could immediately be sent to president for his signature.
Scenario No. 2: The Senate bill is deemed passed with the House's passage of the reconciliation bill. Since the vote on "the rule" happens before the vote on reconciliation, this would delay the bill being sent to Obama.
Now I ask you do you really understand this crap. I am intelligent, well read and watch the news and keep up with world and political events. I have looked up on the Internet as much as I can about this rule and still am having trouble understanding why they are using it except that a straight up and down vote will likely lose. If the Dems are having to resort to this then something is horribly wrong. The President is telling his party members that they have to support this bill or his presidency will fail. I am aware that the Repubs have used the deem and pass on multiple occasions but never concerning this huge amount of national debt.
Hell froze over the other night and the President appeared on Fox. I was disgusted with our President. He delivered talking points and stated that to vote no was a vote against health care reform. You ASS. We all want health care reform but not this overdone piece of crap loaded with special 'presents' to your cronies that you have had to bribe for a vote. I want tort reform but that would upset your lawyer friends, I want portability for insurance, I want the corruption and graft stopped with medicare and medicaid. When Bret Baier attempted to ask questions you got pissy. It's apparent that you don't like being questioned.. you wanted to deliver a speech to the vast Fox audience. Bret has come under some fire for attempting to redirect you back to the question asked. Apparently it is not appropriate to redirect the President. Tough. You work for us. Answer the damn questions and quite prevaricating. I am so sick and tired of what is happening in Washington. We need to scrap the whole bunch and start over. Few Democrats are listening to their public and poll after poll indicates that an overwhelming number of people are upset. Do you all not understand that YOU WORK FOR US. You weren't sent there to do what you think is best you were sent there to represent your constituents and you are not listening to them. The House wants to do WHATEVER it is they are going to do be it deem and pass or a vote this weekend, probably on Sunday. They can't risk any Democrat going home and coming in contact with the peeps they represent. They might be swayed from the yes vote they have been pressured to make.